throwing the kids into nonperforming schools, dangers on performing schools controlled by the teachers unions. the long game, which is a lot harder to implement is to reform the single leading institutions in the country. but you don't think that government necessarily should be the entity that is doing the teaching of the english language or helping in the assimilation? it used to be done a lot at churches. >> that's the thing, i think that liberals and especially president obama does a lot of harm when they talk about community as being government led, as being something that government implements. that's not the traditional american views. the traditional american views are voluntary organizations and faith-based, pta, scouts, the church, that help the community. help us be self-relines and it doesn't mean you're on your own, it means that we as individuals reach out to our neighbors by voluntary association and help out ourselves when we need help. and that needs to be taught again. >> let me ask you, in the last remaining seconds that we have here, in 2007, i was in the white house then